In a recent interview on the Rich Eisen Show, Adam Driver, who played Kylo Ren/Ben Solo in the Star Wars Sequels, revealed that his character’s arc ended much differently than originally planned by himself and who sounds to be JJ Abrams.

According to Driver, Kylo Ren was never to have his Ben Solo redemption in The Rise of Skywalker. In fact, Kylo was supposed to be a reverse Vader, which as Adam explained meant that by the end of the trilogy Kylo would be fully committed to the Darkside, unlike Vader, who started to question the Darkside by the end of his arc and eventually turned back to the light.

He explained:

“I had an overall arc in mind that he wanted to do, which then changed,” Driver said. “His idea was almost the opposite journey of Vader, where Vader starts the most confident, the most committed to the Dark Side, and by the last movie he’s the most vulnerable, and weak, and he wanted to start at the opposite, where this character was the most confused and vulnerable, and by the end of the three movies would be most committed to the Dark Side.

Adam Driver

Adam went on to explain that while Rian Johnson shifted Kylo’s arc a bit in The Last Jedi, he felt that it was still mostly intact heading into the final movie, but then The Rise of Skywalker completely flipped the arc on its head and opted for a Ben Solo redemption tour.

You can check out the full conversation below. I for one wish Kylo stayed bad, because then we could’ve avoided somehow Palpatine has returned. Here’s to making a Star Wars trilogy without a single cohesive vision from the writing team!

Nick and I will talk more about Adam’s interview on next week’s episode of the SWTS, so don’t forget to tune into the Star Wars Time Show on a weekly basis via our podcast platforms or via YouTube if you prefer the livestream angle. 

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